National Park Geek: A Love Story

Nobody knows Danny Gross is the geek. It’s about putting that hat on everybody else. He figured out how to build an authentic brand that belongs to everybody. - Ed Giardina


At first, Cheyenne Yanez and Vic Robledo didn’t know that the iconic image with the round glasses and ranger hat was a real person. It was the summer of 2015. The Whittier, California couple had just celebrated their daughter, Penny, turning 5, and they had decided to embark on a healthier lifestyle. “We started going out for hikes and stuff, and then we eventually saw pictures of the Grand Canyon, and it intrigued us,” Cheyenne recalls. “So we took a visit to the Grand Canyon, and we were totally unprepared. We didn’t know that our pass was good for a whole seven days, so we drove back three days later to LA.” Their trip might have been shortchanged by a lack of experience, but they and their daughter were hooked.

Back home, surfing online to find more pictures of national parks, they stumbled upon an Instagram account whose profile photo looked like a minimalist cartoon drawing of Teddy Roosevelt – just hat and glasses, and under that the name “National Park Geek.” It had around 700 followers, all swapping photos of their adventures. Some of the images were gorgeous, as if taken by a professional, but others were snaps from average park fans, and some highlighted lesser-known places.

“It was very inspirational for us seeing others going out to different national monuments, national parks,” Vic says. They created their own Instagram account and took the handle “the_adventurous_3.” Cheyenne and Vic didn’t know it yet, but they’d met a community that would change their lives.

Cheyenne Yanez, Vic Robledo, and their daughter Penny pose with Daniel Gross.

The Missing Shirt

A few months later, 130 miles away in Bakersfield, Linda Mohammad decided that hiking was a far better exercise option than a gym. An engineer originally from Malaysia, she discovered a list of nine California national parks and chose to make a mission of hiking each one. “I remember thinking, I want to find a national park community,” she says. Not the collectors who buzz from park to park, barely staying long enough to get the stamp in their Park Passport. “I associate national parks with geology. So that’s the geeky side, my engineering side. When I googled ‘national park nerd,’ National Park Geek came out. I came across the website and they had T-shirts at the time that they were selling. And the logo, I mean, it’s really cute. So you have to admit you want one.”

Linda Mohammad in Death Valley National Park in April 2016.

Linda bought a purple shirt with the snappy logo and wore it on a trip to Death Valley, her first national park. When she got home, she posted a photo of her wearing it with the Death Valley sign in the background. “I tagged National Park Geek,” she says. By then, in April 2016, the site had attracted around 10,000 followers. “And then I can’t remember if it was the same day or the next day, that picture got reposted on the National Park Geek Instagram. Now I was like, oh, that’s a thing. If that’s a thing, then, you know, I would do more of it just because I really love the logo. It speaks to what I’m looking for in terms of a National Park community.”

Linda bought another shirt for her next trip, to Pinnacles National Park – and again, her photo was reposted on National Park Geek. Sequoia was up next, so she purchased a fun one that said “Big Tree Hugger” along with the Teddy-like logo. But this time there was a problem. “It says it was delivered, but my mailbox was empty,” she recalls. On the store website she found an email for National Park Geek and sent them a note. “I didn’t know who’s behind it. I don’t know if it’s a person, a conglomerate, a business – like, what is it?”

And that’s how she met Daniel Gross, the National Park Geek. “He said, yeah, it says it got delivered. I’m sorry that happened to you,” Linda says. “I wasn’t going to try to get money back, because it seems like it’s a small business. I just don’t know how small, so I let it go, and I remember Danny said, ‘Karma will get them.’ So I was like, you know what? Yeah, karma will get them.”

The Love Story

A more positive form of karma must have been at play when Jacqui Gross met her future husband, Danny. She was living in Philadelphia, where she had discovered a love of American history. “I’ve seen every little corner, every historic part of the city that’s where everything started,” she says.

Jacqui was chair of the industrial design department at the Art Institute of Philadelphia. And it was in that role, attending a conference, that she met the man who would be her soul mate. Daniel Gross was a Baltimore native who was also chair of a design department at the Art Institute of California – Orange County. In his spare time, he served as volunteer fire captain at the La Habra Heights Fire Department. Like Jacqui, he was also a passionate explorer – and deep in his bones, a lovable geek. “He read a lot of books. I could never catch up with him,” Jacqui says with a laugh.

From the beginning, their relationship was defined by their travels. Danny’s heroes were John Muir and Teddy Roosevelt, men who by modern sensibilities had their failings, but who in their time were visionaries in wanting to explore and protect America’s treasured places. “He was full of gratitude” for the freedom we have in America, Jacqui recalls, and they brought out the best of each other. From their professorial perches, Danny and Jacqui feared that some of that adventurous spirit was being lost. They would ask their students how many had been to Yosemite. “Maybe one or two hands went up,” Jacqui says. “It’s only a drive away. Every time I’ve been there I heard at least 15 languages. Why won’t you just go there? It’s not that far. It’s not that expensive. You can sleep in your car if you need to. So I was always amazed that Californians wouldn’t even think about their backyard.”

Jacqui and Danny married and had a daughter, Abigail. And still they traveled and explored. It was in 2015 that Danny decided to set up an Instagram account. “We thought that’d be a great way just to share pictures. And he came up with that nickname he gave to himself, National Park Geek, because he was true geek!” The photo-sharing site had been around for five years by then as an iOS app, but a site redesign and Windows version would see its user engagement skyrocket. By 2018 Instagram would reach 1 billion annual users.

Geek Chic

Danny dashed off the iconic logo, inspired by his heroes and informed by his deep understanding of design. Earlier in his career, at a summer program at the School of Visual Arts in New York, he had studied with Milton Glaser, the legendary graphic designer who created the “I Love New York” logo. Ed Giardina worked with Danny at the Art Institute and still marvels at how he conjured such an indelible image. “He built something that’s authentic and selfless, because he wasn’t branding himself, he was branding this anonymous traveler to the parks,” Ed says. “Nobody knows Danny Gross is the geek. It’s about putting that hat on everybody else. He figured out how to build an authentic brand that belongs to everybody. And that’s so rare in this day and age.”

“A brand is not simply a logo. A brand is how a product or a service makes you feel,” says Cameron Rennacker, one of Danny’s former students and now head of Rennacker Studio in Phoenix. “Danny created more than a logo. He created a community first and then a brand second.”

Danny started sharing photos of their trips and reposting images he liked from others. Soon, getting attention from the National Park Geek became a draw for people to tag him. “I remember when Danny would say, ‘Well, we have a hundred followers,’ and I said, ‘Don’t get excited, you know, it’s a lot.’” Jacqui recalls. “Then we got 400 and I said, ‘Really, you know, maybe it’s gonna stop now, so don’t get too excited.’”

In December 2016, Danny and Jacqui took their toddler Abigail on an epic trip from California, across Arizona and into Texas. Before heading out they posted to their community that they’d be visiting Saguaro National Park and suggested a meetup. “We had a lot of followers there, and that’s how this next-level adventure began,” Jacqui says. “People kept asking him, can we get the sticker of this logo? So I said, ‘Here’s $500, go crazy, you know, if it doesn’t work, don’t worry about it. It’s not much.’ I created the sticker. And you couldn’t believe how many people wanted to buy it. So we created the online store. And we just rolled from that.”

Saguaro became the first national park to sell the National Park Geek stickers. Jacqui and Danny started attending the Public Lands Alliance conference, which brings together all the park gift shop vendors. Soon the brand began to take off. Today, National Park Geek’s Instagram account has a whopping 736,000 followers. Merchandise is sold on its online store and at national park gift shops across the country.

“I remember when we were little, people really reacted to everything, and they loved it, and it just went wild, and it grew organically,” Jacqui says. “There was no trick of any kind. It was truly all by the people, for the people, whatever you want to call it. So that was kind of impressive, and I still can’t believe it.”

Danny leaned into community building, appointing National Park Geek Ambassadorsincluding Linda Mohammadto help spread the word. That first meetup in Saguaro led Danny to organize more of them, often in California. Cheyenne, Vic and their daughter became regulars. “We started networking, making so many friends,” Vic says. “People from all backgrounds, all races, and that was the most beautiful thing I believe. Danny . . . brought a lot of people together.”

National Park Geeks are not just people who appreciate parks and history, or hiking, or photography. They share a mission. “We shared the awareness that Earth needs a cleanup,” Vic says. “We need to be stewards of the land as well. When we go up to these places, we inclined our child to leave no trace behind, clean after yourself, clean up after others. We would see people with bags and with their children, cleaning up cigarette butts out of the ground that wasn’t even theirs. I mean that. Who knows how long they would be there? But these people showed so much character.”

Along with trading insights on where to go and what to do, the community helped each other develop new skills. “We got so excited to take night photos of the stars, the Milky Way, and through National Park Geek we learned those tips and tricks, and we were able to capture the beauty of the night sky and share it with everyone,” Cheyenne says.

Penny was 5 when they first discovered that beguiling logo. Today she’s 13, with a hat bursting with Junior Ranger Badges. She’s an alumnus of the National Park Trust’s Buddy Bison program and an official National Park Geek Ambassador.

Danny had inspired several generations to care about national parks and make it a mission to see as many as possible. “His dream was to retire and become a seasonal ranger – and change parks every year,” Jacqui says. “Can you believe that?”

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A Shocking Loss

In December 2021, four days after his daughter Abigail’s 10th birthday, Danny Gross suffered a sudden, massive heart attack and died. There were no warning signs. He was just 55 years old. “It was devastating on so many levels,” Jacqui says. “He wasn’t just my husband and my kid’s father. He was also my partner, my co-worker. He was my everything, and my best friend. So it’s like one evening it’s, just, all gone.”

“When I saw the missed call from Jacqui that morning, I remember telling my husband, this cannot be good ‘cause Jacqui is reaching out to me from Danny’s phone,” Linda says. “I really miss his friendship. He had a way of making people feel special.”

The OG National Park Geek may be gone, but his legacy lives on through Jacqui, Linda and others who cherish the community. The logo’s power to inspire is undiminished.

“You could be hiking up a mountain with two people on the trail, and someone’s gonna stop you and say, ‘That’s a cool badge you have on your backpack. Where’d you get that?'” Cameron says. “It’s always a really cool opportunity to stop and talk about Danny’s legacy when someone does that.”

More National Park Geek products are on the way. “It took me 6 months to even start thinking and working on designs that would fit in his style, and even though we collaborated, there were a few things I did on my own,” Jacqui says. “Whatever he did is going to stay there, because that was really the foundation, but I’m not afraid to add on… People love the pink bandana. They love the purple sticker.”

Chief National Park Geek Ambassador Linda knows there’s far more room to grow: “As far as National Park Geek community, I hope that will continue to inspire more park lovers, and I also hope with time and capacity we could also grow in our reach on social media, not just reposting and providing inspiration, but also the educational aspect of things. You know, when you talk about geeks, you want to throw out a lot of park facts!”

Cheyenne and Vic miss Danny too, but the National Park Geek still motivates them – and sometimes even turns up in unlikely places. “You might find somebody at the beach with one of the stickers on the cooler, and we might not necessarily know these people, but we’re like, that’s how big this is. That’s how big it’s gotten. That’s the cool thing about it.”

Somewhere in those starry park night skies, the OG is smiling, eyes twinkling behind those rounded spectacles, doffing that ranger hat in appreciation.


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Permit Alert: What to Know for June 2024

June is Great Outdoors Month

America boasts millions of acres of public lands, encompassing dozens of national recreation areas, over 400 national park sites, and more than 500 national wildlife refuges. Whether you’re an avid camper, hiker, biker, swimmer, or angler, there are thousands of places waiting for your adventure. June is a great month to reconnect with America’s parks—it’s also a great time to get involved in helping to preserve these treasured spaces.

There are both public and private efforts to preserve and protect our public lands. The Great American Outdoors Act of 2020 allocates $9.5 billion over five years for the maintenance of national parks and public lands, addressing a long-standing maintenance backlog. Its impact has been significant, enhancing recreational opportunities, preserving natural landscapes, and supporting local economies dependent on outdoor tourism.

As of April 2024, the Act has addressed $774.9 million in deferred maintenance, completed 254 projects, and has 377 more underway across all 50 states, Washington, DC, and other territories. Since 2021, these projects have created over 17,000 jobs and contributed an average of $1.8 billion annually to local economies.

June 1st offers a special opportunity to celebrate and support these efforts. The American Hiking Society’s National Trails Day is “a day of service for hometown trails and the people who love them.” AHS hosts public events focused on advocacy, trail service, and encouraging communities to connect outdoors. Participating in a trail stewardship project is a wonderful way to celebrate the great outdoors and contribute to the maintenance of our public lands. Join an event near you and make a positive impact on our beloved trails!

Watch a great little film on the National Forest Foundation’s involvement in restoring the Highline Trail in Tonto National Forest.

Everglades Guided Tours

The Everglades is known for impressive biodiversity, but did you know its biodiversity is the result of being at the transition from tropical to temperate climates? This subtropical location is at the northern limit of the range for tropical species like the American crocodile, and at the southern limit of the range for temperate species like the American alligator.

Globally, intact ecosystems in transition zones like the Everglades are pretty rare these days, making the 1.5 million acres that Everglades National Park preserves a true gem in the National Park Service.

Want to see it, but don’t know where to start? You have choices! Guided tours from permitted guides are a great option and are available in addition to the regularly scheduled concession or ranger-led tours available in the park.

There are all kinds of tours: fishing, photography, paddling, birdwatching, and eco tours. Paddling in a canoe or kayak is a great way to explore the freshwater marsh, mangrove forests, the 10,000 Islands, and the open waters of Florida Bay. If you prefer to stay on land, there are five different bike trails and miles of hiking trails. Don’t forget bug spray—you’re going to need it.

Learn more about the Everglades from some of our creators.

Bryce Canyon Astronomy Festival

Bryce Canyon’s Astronomy Festival returns June 5-8 with activities for both your inner artist and astronomer. Join astrophotographer Don Riddle and Dr. Michael Kelzenberg from CalTech for special astrophotography workshops each night of this annual 4-day festival.

Workshops are open to all levels of experience but are geared toward beginners. Participation is free, but limited to 15 people per night. Classes begin at 9 p.m. with 90 minutes of instruction followed by astrophotography among the hoodoos of the Bryce Amphitheater.

Learn more about this year’s festival.

Ari and Jessi Adler’s tips on what to see in Bryce Canyon whether you have a day or just a few hours.

Bryce Canyon Astronomy Festival (Photo by Keith Moore/NPS)

The Wave

The Wave is a stunning sandstone formation in northern Arizona renowned for its striking, wave-like patterns and vivid colors. Access to this natural wonder—located in the Coyote Buttes North area of the Paria Canyon-Vermilion Cliffs Wilderness—requires a permit due to its fragile environment and limited daily visitors.

The hike to the Wave is a physically demanding 6.4 mile round-trip hike. Permit-holders need to be in good physical condition and be comfortable navigating in undeveloped areas. The eight-mile drive to the trailhead is unpaved, and if it rains, you’ll need a four-wheel-drive vehicle. This wilderness area does not contain any developed trails or facilities. Permit-holders are given a route description, which includes a route map, photo guide and GPS coordinates along the suggested route to the Wave.

You can apply for a permit through the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) online lottery system at Recreation.gov. There are two lotteries: one four months in advance and another for next-day permits. The process has multiple steps and deadlines to be aware of, so do your homework!

Wondering if you should visit Antelope Canyon while you’re in the area? Matt and Cheryl tell you everything.

 

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Q&A: The Go-To Guides for Family Travel

Planning family travel to national and state parks is a major hassle – but it gets much easier if you follow in the footsteps of Matt and Cheryl Schoss. They started We're in the Rockies to share their expertise through videos and guidebooks, and the family business is now streaming on the Parks Channel! Here they share their story and some sage advice for park planners.


Charles Poe: I’m here with Matt and Cheryl Schoss, celebrities of the Rocky Mountains. I wanted to ask – with something like 60,000 subscribers on YouTube, how often are you recognized when you’re out and about?

Matt Schoss: It depends a little bit on the park and the area. But this last trip to the Grand Canyon, we probably got recognized about once a day. Yellowstone, sometimes 10 times a day.

Charles: Are we up to autographs yet? Or is it selfies people want?

Cheryl Schoss: Just selfies, and we’re always so grateful when people come up and say hi. It’s nice to meet people who are as excited about the parks as we are.

Matt: The other day we were driving home from Arizona, and we passed by Bryce Canyon and stopped for lunch. A family was using our guides, and stopped us and said hi. What really stuck out to me, though, was the daughter earlier that day had said, “Wouldn’t it be cool if we actually ran into Matt and Cheryl?” And then there at lunch they ran into us. That was kind of crazy.

Charles: That is very cool. Tell us a little bit about your background, yourselves and your family before the We’re in the Rockies phenomenon started. 

The Schoss Family
Young Matt Schoss (with camera) in Canyonlands National Park

Cheryl: We both were born and raised in Utah, and we grew up in families that love the national parks. We would go every year. Our families would take us to Yellowstone. We went to Zion quite a bit, because both of those parks are about four hours from where we live. We continued to visit them when we had our own family. We’ve been married for almost 22 years now, and we have four kids. It’s a lot easier with teenagers than it is with toddlers.

We would go to the national parks because that’s what we could afford. We could drive there, and we would camp, and they were affordable vacations that we all enjoyed. Now our trips are a little bigger because we often take both sets of our parents who also live in Utah and get along with each other. So a lot of times, it’s a ten-person caravan with our family of six, and then both sets of grandparents.

Charles: Wow! Obviously, that adds to the trip planning challenges, which you guys have become experts on. When did you realize that you were starting to gain some knowledge that you wanted to share? Did it start with guidebooks or videos or both at the same time?

Matt: It was a process. I was looking for something else to do as a career, and I started teaching some adjunct history classes at Weaver State University. One of my sections was about the American West, and I decided to focus on national parks as a part of that section—preserving lands in the west, conservation and things like that. I realized I had a big collection of the National Park brochures they hand out when you come into the park. I started handing them out to all the students to look at, and I was surprised at the number of students who had not been to a national park, even though we’re here in Utah, and we’re very close to several national parks.

I realized I had a real passion for it. We had started looking at what we could do as an online business, something on the side that might be able to grow into something, and we were playing around with a few ideas. But we got home from Yellowstone one day and decided, well, this is what we really like talking about and doing. So let’s just try this, and that kind of blossomed.

Cheryl: We knew we liked to travel, and it started when we booked a trip to Atlanta, Georgia. Matt said, go ahead and plan it out. So I was on Youtube, and I was watching the videos, and I just thought, holy smokes, I don’t feel like I’m learning anything. I can see people vlogging through their trip, but they weren’t really helping me plan that trip for ourselves. We got to thinking, we need someone who will give us some good information to help us plan our trip.

We realized that not much of the population lives in the West, but we do. And we have a lot of knowledge about these parks, because we’ve been to them several times, because that’s what we’ve done growing up, and we still continue to do. We thought maybe we could help someone have a good trip out to Yellowstone.

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I think the breakthrough was Matt. He has always loved to edit videos—he’s done that for 20 years. One time he thought for fun he would try to make a video about how to visit Yellowstone and how to visit Zion. And he got out the map and he was breaking it down, and we actually got pretty good views on those videos, even though we were new creators, because Matt was actually helping solve a problem. He was teaching people like he would do in his classes. I think that’s how it all got started.

Charles: And you obviously found there’s a big demand for that—you’re solving a massive problem for people who want to plan a family trip. Why do you suppose it is so hard to plan a national park trip?

Matt: That’s a good question. I think planning any trip is actually kind of difficult, because, assuming you’re going somewhere brand new, you have no idea what the landscape is for that area. I do think Yellowstone, in particular, is interesting in that it’s so big. It’s just so big. People have a hard time wrapping their minds around it. There are five entrances, and they don’t know which one to use.

I thought it was really kind of funny that we got a lot of questions about driving in Yellowstone. Like, how long does it take to get places? And what if I break down? And things like this. So we did a video on how to drive in Yellowstone, and it got tons and tons of views. We thought that was kind of funny, because that’s not a question we would think about, because we’re used to going there. So obviously, we’re always trying to look at it from the travelers perspective.

The landscape is big out here. It takes a while to drive around and get places. It’s not very developed in a lot of these places in the Rockies. There are very small airports, so you’re doing these big, long road trips. It’s quite a bit that goes into it.

Cheryl: I think one of the challenges is that online, there are hundreds and hundreds of posts on everything. A lot of times it’s hard to sift through all that and find good information. We blog, we do Youtube, so we look and see what’s out there. And sometimes I have to say, wow, this person hasn’t spent much time in this park. Sometimes there can be information overload, and sometimes it’s hard to decipher how well-versed the person is on the place.

My observation when we visit the national parks is that when you get there, there’s actually a lot of good information there. They have great signage outside that’ll help you if you have half a day, if you have one day, and the maps they give you are really helpful. But I think finding that information before your trip is difficult. I think the National Park System does a good job putting alerts on their website of things that have changed. But sometimes it’s kind of fragmented, and it’s hard to put the whole picture together unless you’re actually there learning it.

Matt talks about how, especially in the West, people underestimate how far away things are from each other. Not just Yellowstone being a big national park, but if you’re going to Utah’s five national parks. You can drive across a lot of states back east in a couple of hours. But Utah’s big. It takes hours to get across Utah. A lot of these Western states are just big.

Charles: One of the things I love about your videos is that along with the insights and the information, you’re also not afraid to talk about your fails. I seem to recall, Cheryl, you had an experience with bear spray that didn’t turn out the way you hoped. What do you consider some of your biggest park fails?

Cheryl: The one that comes to mind was when we visited Banff. We have a guide for Banff, and we collaborated with The Mountain Town Ramblers. We used our guide-writing skills, and they helped us with the concept of visiting Banff—because, of course, we’re not gonna write a guide on a place we don’t know without bringing someone in to help.

Getting tickets is kind of a challenge, because sometimes you’re planning your trip a year in advance and you get your lodging, but then, the tickets for things you want to do aren’t available until a couple of months before. So we got a little bit behind the eight ball on getting our tickets to go to Lake Louise and Moraine Lake. Oh, my gosh, that whole day was a complete disaster. Our parents missed the bus. We couldn’t find a parking spot. Even the scramble to get the tickets. It was eight hours of trying to figure out our tickets before we left. It was craziness. It’s funny, because Matt’s mom loves everything and has a great experience, but she honestly does not like Lake Louise very much, because it was just so stressful.

So when I got home, I thought, this is a problem. I researched it down to the minutia, and I wrote a little freebie for people who are visiting to know all the options to get there, and when the tickets are opening up. I spent quite a bit of time solving that problem because I didn’t want anyone to have the same experience we had the first time.

I think it is actually good when our trips don’t go as planned. Because now we’re like, this is a challenge, and we want to make sure that this is crystal clear on how to visit for people who come after us.

Matt: We used to decide on a Friday morning, let’s go to Zion or Arches. Let’s just run off this weekend, and we’d just drive down there and get a camp spot, and see the park, and it was no big deal.

I think park visitation remained fairly steady for 20 years or more. It started exploding when the Baby Boomers started retiring. And social media—which we’re a part of—helps make it more popular for sure. Now that’s another challenge, all this preparation. Because there are shuttles, there’s reservations, there’s all that, and that stresses people out. You don’t want to go all the way out there, and then, oh, we can’t go do that thing because we needed to get advanced reservations. It takes quite a bit of time to plan these things out ahead of time.

Cheryl: I’m sitting here thinking about all the epic mistakes we’ve made. Another one was when we got our trailer a few years ago. I was so gung ho to take our trailer everywhere, I planned back-to-back-to-back vacations. And Matt said, “Cheryl, this is a little too much,” and I’m like, “No, it’s not, the kids are gonna love it!”

And by vacation number five it was a total meltdown. You hear about the families who say, “I’m gonna turn this car around!” We legit did that. The kids were miserable. We were miserable.

Charles: What was the breaking point?

Matt: Five weekends in a row. On the fifth weekend we went up to Yellowstone and our kids were so miserable that we actually drove home from Yellowstone a day early.

Cheryl: Yup. I remember we were walking around the Old Faithful Geyser Basin and the kids were slogging across and getting in fights. I was afraid they were gonna push each other into the geysers.

Charles: Too much of a good thing. What are you gonna do?

Cheryl: You see these travelers melting down because they were overly ambitious, and they pushed their group too far. They’re making them wake up at 6 am, and they’re on these 18-day trips.

We will never forget the time we were riding bikes through Rome, and we were having a delightful time. It was the highpoint of our trip. It was amazing. And we look over, and there’s a man on his cell phone, beet red in the face yelling at his family, and you could hear him saying, “You guys have complained the whole trip!”

Matt: It was loud, and our whole family remembers it and talks about it to this day. I just keep thinking, I don’t ever want to be like that. I can’t ever get to that point.

Cheryl: Travel is not without its challenges, even a well-planned trip. I can think of plenty of times when there were tears in the trailer because things haven’t worked out well.

Charles: What do you typically advise in terms of how far in advance to plan a trip? People are buying your guide books, and some are meticulously planning well in advance. Do you have general guidance, especially for the big parks?

Matt: That’s a great question. The typical advice is to start a year early, because the actual lodges that are run by the concessionaires within the national parks usually open up a year in advance. So the people who are really prepped who like to stay in those lodges in the park are usually booking those up a year early.

Most people don’t start planning their trips until right after Christmas. We notice a spike literally the day after Christmas. People are starting to think about next year. So that’s a pretty good time to start getting everything into place, though you might not be able to get the lodges. Each national park only has a handful of lodges—some only have one, some have none—that are actually located within the park.

But then there are all these little towns outside the park where you could typically get accommodations. It’s usually fine to start booking those in January, and even into February.

Family hike in the Grand Canyon

Cheryl: Well, actually, we had kind of an aha moment this year. We started planning our trips for 2024 in October. Normally, we’re not that far ahead. But in September we were working on a lodging guide for Grand Teton, and we were talking to the owners of various hotels. One of the tips they gave us was that right now is a great time to book for the next year, because they haven’t raised their prices for the upcoming year and there’s a lot of availability. I was surprised at the great deals we were able to get on our lodging.

The National Parks have their prices kind of fixed. But if you’re staying outside the park, you’re able to really snag some better values, and you have so much more to choose from. It’s just such peace of mind to know some of those big nuts and bolts of your trip are already taken care of, so that you know you have a place to stay at least.

The other little trick I’ve learned is that even though I can book my lodging really far in advance, I may not be able to book tickets to Jewel Cave for example, for several months. A lot of those timed entry reservations don’t open up until later. So when I book those hotels, I also make a note in my planner so I don’t forget to go back and do that.

Matt: One last thing is the campgrounds typically open up six months in advance. Typically, you’re okay in the January timeframe. But if you want to stay in those lodges and get better rates do it earlier.

Cheryl: Sometimes people think they can’t travel because they haven’t planned months in advance. It’s best to plan ahead, but it seems like there is always availability in hotels in the border cities outside the parks. You may pay a pretty penny for your lodging, or if you’re camping, you might have to stay in a BLM (Bureau of Land Management) or forest service campground. But that’s okay. You might drive a little further.

The other thing I’ve learned is that even parks with reservations save 20-30% of those reservations for night before people. We’ve known plenty of people who were able to get their timed entry tickets the night before.

Matt: Timed-entry reservations are typically just during the busy hours of say, 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. We’ve gone in after the busy time and had a great time. Late in the day is great because people start to clear out, and then you can just go in there and do whatever you want.

Cheryl: And you don’t have to wake up at the crack of dawn. I love being in the parks first thing in the morning, but that’s not for everybody.

Charles: You mentioned the distances in Utah. You have become experts on road trips. What are your five most important tips that you think about when you’re planning a road trip?

Matt: Oh, that’s good. The first tip I would say is that home bases typically don’t work. We talk to a lot of people who want to have a home base for their trip, where they stay in one place for a long time, and then they go out and do these day trips. We talked to somebody who was driving three or four hours, one way, and then would come back because they wanted to have a home base.

We usually advise you to plan out your days so that you can move from one location to the next, and see things along the way. That’s the way I do it. Now I know that’s not for everybody, but that’s the way I like to do it. You do have to change locations every night or every two nights. It’s nice if you can get two nights in a row. But I like to do things as I progress.

Cheryl: I do think that sometimes this requires being thoughtful. We have a rule that we don’t like to drive more than an hour each way to whatever we’re doing. We wrote a guide to a Colorado road trip, where we visited ten different places. We actually figured out a way where you only have to switch locations three times if you’re hitting Rocky Mountain National Park along the way. Think about how far you’re willing to drive every day. Don’t put in so much driving that you are missing out on some of the fun.

One of my big tips about a road trip is that I like to plan on eating out once a day, and having a picnic once a day. Sometimes we have a picnic dinner, because you need flexibility. It’s nice to have a meal in a restaurant and not have to worry about it, but having to stop and get food is very inconvenient and can really mess up touring around the parks. Packing your own food can save you a lot of money. I also think it’s really important to try to eat something that’s local once in a while. It adds to the experience.

We just stayed at a really nice bed and breakfast in the Grand Canyon, and the guy who owned it prepared the most amazing food for us in the morning. It’s one of the most memorable things about our trip. And we’ll never forget eating breakfast at El Tovar. That’s another good little tip: breakfast is always cheaper, so if we want to go to a restaurant with a good view in a national park, we’ll usually go for breakfast because it’s cheaper and you don’t need reservations.

Matt: Okay, I have two more tips. Next one is to fill up on gas. Out in the West, you can be driving for hundreds of miles without seeing a gas station. So whenever we get below half a tank, I start to think about it. Then, if we have to stop and use the bathroom, just fill up now because we’re driving across the Arizona desert or something, and you just never really know. You don’t want to get into a situation where you’re 50 miles from the next gas station and you have less than a quarter tank. That’s happened to me before. If you’re coming from the coast, it can be hard to understand how wide open and spread out the West is. It’s crazy how remote it can be out here.

The other thing is, even though I go from place to place. I kinda know, after about three days of that maybe four, we do need a spot where we stay a couple of days. We did a big trip through Yellowstone, and we drove all the way up to Theodore Roosevelt National Park, in North Dakota—an underrated cool little spot—and I thought, we need a break right here. We’re going to need to spend a couple of nights here because our family is going to be worn out. We do try to build in some days where we can just chill out.

Cheryl: For number five, on a road trip, it’s so important that you have spent a lot of time preparing for it. I’m not saying you have to have an itinerary and stick to it every second. If you have a plan, you know about how long things take and the best things to see. And then, if you see an animal on the side of the road and you wanna stop and look at it, you can say, we were gonna go to this geyser basin, but this is so cool, and I’m okay to miss that.

Cheryl and Matt in Antelope X Canyon, Arizona

When you have a plan, and you’re educated about where you’re going, it allows you to be so much more flexible. It’s kind of like a budget. Some people think budgets are limiting, but actually they enable you to make wise choices. I think you have to make your travel time budget. Know what you want to do, know what’s the most important so you don’t get sidetracked on things that may not really bring the most value to your trip.

Charles: It’s fantastic advice. You specialize in Utah and the West. I’m curious if you are keeping track of how many of the big national parks you’ve been to and are you trying to get to all of them? Or is that not on the bucket list?

Matt: Oh, that’s a good question. I see a lot of people who are trying to check off all 63 national parks. I’ve never really had a goal to do that. My mom and I have had more of a goal to see the 400 plus National Park Service sites. We’re always counting up how many of those we’ve done. So I just printed off the list the other day and I think I’m up to around 80 or 90 of those sites. There are a lot more to go. I’m not a perfectionist about it. I’m probably not gonna fly out to some of the remote places in Alaska anytime soon, but I like to check those off.

We just went to Lake Powell in Utah and Arizona, and we took a boat ride out to Rainbow Bridge National Monument. The only way to get there is to hike 14 miles, or to take a boat ride for the day out to this national monument. This is a really remote one. That’s another national monument I got to check off, and for me those have always been pretty much just as special as the national parks. There’s some incredible national monument sites out there, just some really awesome places.

I like the history sites as well out East. There are plenty of history sites out here with a lot of native American ruins in Arizona and Colorado and Utah. Those are the ones I think about. Anytime I go on a vacation. I was in Minnesota a couple of years ago, and I’m always looking—are there National Park sites around?

Charles: So if you had one park and only one park that you could visit, which would it be?

Matt: I would go with Yellowstone mainly for the variety. It just has so much. You get the wildlife, the canyons, the geysers, the mountains, the valleys, the lakes, the rivers. It’s so big, and it has so much.

I think Zion is probably the prettiest place I’ve ever been. And Cheryl thinks Glacier is probably the prettiest place that she’s ever been. But if I had to choose one, it’s gotta be Yellowstone for the sheer size and variety.

Cheryl: We always say it’s like five national parks in one.

Charles: In terms of hidden gems—or ones that are less crowded and popular—what do you advise? Any favorite places that are off the radar?

Cheryl: Well, Capitol Reef is one of my all time favorite national parks. I love how unique it is, because there are orchards in it. I mean what national park has fruit orchards? It’s so interesting to me. It might be because my family is a fruit family—my grandpa had a big orchard, so maybe that’s why I like it so much.

The rock in Capitol Reef is so red, and it’s an easy park to visit. There are a lot of three-mile hikes. There are incredible drives. The drive out to Capitol Gorge is the best driveable slot canyon I’ve ever seen. I’m always thinking about accessibility for people who can’t hike, and this is a slot canyon experience without having to hike and I love that about it.

The other thing off the beaten path are the state parks in Utah, speaking of road trips—and this would be my tip number six. The national parks like Arches and Zion are challenging because they’re crowded. You have to be on your A game, and get up early and so on. When you go to the state parks between these national parks, that’s your chance to catch your breath.

They saved us on our road trip. We went to Kodachrome Basin and Goblin Valley. We went to Gunlock State Park, which had a waterfall in the desert that year. We love Custer State Park. The state parks are great and allow you to get away from the crowds and still see some really beautiful stuff. They can’t make the entire west a national park, but there’s a good chunk of Utah that could be a national park.

Matt: Okay, I have three more for you. Theodore Roosevelt National Park is totally underrated. It’s got a very cute, charming little gateway town, Medora, North Dakota, that people love. The Madura Musical is a fun show in an outdoor amphitheater.

Mesa Verde National Park is awesome. It’s the most amazing Native American cliff dwellings that you’ll see. I just absolutely love that one. It’s very interactive. You’re climbing on ladders. You’re going into the ruins. There’s scenery there.

Then my last one that just keeps sucking me in is Canyonlands in Utah. It gets overshadowed by Arches, but interestingly, Canyonlands was actually a national park before Arches. Everybody thought Canyonlands was the draw to Moab at the time that they made it. Part of the reason it’s less visited is because they’ve kept it a little more rugged and have kept the accessibility kind of limited. It’s unlike anything that’s out there. It keeps drawing me back because I’ve gotta find out what is out in this untouched wilderness. It draws backpackers and real deep backcountry people. Even jeepers. You can go jeeping way off the beaten path if you have the right vehicle, and just so far out there. It takes forever to explore, because it’s a backcountry park.

Charles: Last question. What is your next adventure?

Cheryl: Black and yellow road.

Matt: We’re going to the Black Hills and Mount Rushmore area which has six national park sites. And then we’re going to Yellowstone after that in one big trip.

Our next new adventure is to the Washington parks this year. We’ve had a lot of people asking us for guides to Olympic and Mount Rainier and parts of the Pacific Northwest as well as Yosemite. So we’re gonna start branching out and try to explore those areas as well.

Charles: Great. Well, listen. Your guidebooks have been invaluable to so many people, and it’s great to see your celebrity growing and growing, and thanks so much for taking the time to tell us a little bit of the backstory.

Matt: Thank you for having us.

The Schoss family, including grandparents, at Crazy Horse Memorial in the Black Hills of South Dakota

Star Quest: New Film Captures Night Sky Magic

To our ancestors, the dazzling night sky revealed the playground of the gods. Thanks to urban light pollution, these days too many of us rarely see stars at all, unless they're the celebrity kind. Director Elizabeth Buckley's new film, The Stars at Night, seeks to reconnect us to celestial magic – with the help of some parks whose dark skies bring the heavens alive.


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Our film, The Stars at Night was inspired by a personal awakening to the fact that I had never seen the Milky Way.

Days after moving to the beautiful Texas Hill Country, and excited to finally see this majestic sight for myself, I was incredibly dismayed that it was impossible—even though my home was an hour from Austin and an hour from San Antonio, literally deep in the heart of Texas.

If the film was inspired by this idea, it was fueled by a group of people I now consider close friends. I came to find out they were all just as curious and passionate about the stars as I am.

After learning about light pollution I was really shocked. I had produced numerous television series and films about the environment, and yet I was oblivious to the issue of skyglow and its devastating impact to our ability to see the stars. Delving into the issue I found that according to Dark Sky International reporting on a 2016 study “80% of the world population lives under skyglow.”

In thinking more about it, I realized that I really wanted to tell a story; not just about the mechanics of rolling back light pollution, but about why we, as human beings, look to the stars and feel moved, sometimes to deep emotion and awe. I was deeply curious. Why was that? As a writer, thinking about ancient myths from around the world, I wondered: did the stars inspire original storytelling? And, more than anything I wanted to embark on a journey to finally see the Milky Way.

Becoming a part of a night sky group eager to build awareness of the issues and solutions to light pollution, I serendipitously found our core team.

The first and primary figure in this tale is the film’s producer, Ryan Sultemeier. When I pitched him the idea, his enthusiasm is what made the project real. As I recall, his response was. “That’s really cool!” With that, this film was born. Our teamwork of just two people could drive this project forward. I could write and conduct interviews, while Ryan could shoot, record sound, and edit.

From L: Will Fitzpatrick, Ryan Sultemeier, Jonathan Jackson at the Pecos River at Sunrise (Photo by Elizabeth Buckley)

One of our Comal Night Sky organizers mentoring the formation of our advocacy group was Amy Jackson, a graduate of Rice University and a Night Sky Educator with her non-profit, Starry Sky Austin. After one of our Night Sky group zooms in which I mentioned I was making the film, Amy reached out to volunteer both her services and that of her husband, Austin City Limits producer and cinematographer, Jonathan Jackson. I was astounded. “You know we don’t have any budget, right?” Yes, they knew. And they agreed.

From left: Olivia Baker, Mykal Bayne, Nader Yousef, Will Fitzpatrick (Photo by Elizabeth Buckley)

At the heart of the film is a journey of four young filmmakers to the Big Bend National Park, well known to have one of the darkest skies in North America. I recruited four former students, all young filmmakers curious to tell their own story, some of which would be used on the longer film. We wrote for a grant in which everyone would be paid for their time and licensing fee for footage. We didn’t get the grant. While disappointed, Ryan and I hatched an idea. We created “The Executive Producer Experience” in which major donors would not only be a part of the film with their names in the opening credits, but also join us on our journey to discover some of the darkest skies in North America.

This endeavor worked— a little. We raised enough money for expenses, but nothing more. All fees would have to be deferred. Ryan and I gathered the group— were they in? They were!

And what followed was the formation of a tight knit team of people: filmmakers, experts, editors, our wonderful composer, an amazing storyteller, former students, and interns who wanted to join the ride in the making of this film for deferred fees. How did this happen? I believe for the joy of the process and for being a part of something that might actually make a difference. For me it has been exactly that: A JOY— all the way through. Not that it was ever exactly easy. But, it was always a joy.

Our journey took us to the Big Bend National Park where, to quote the National park website, “night skies are dark as coal.” We (as in Cinematographer Jonathan Jackson and Producer Ryan Sultemeier) shot some gorgeous astrophotography time-lapse in the Basin as well as Terlingua. It was June, the best time of year to see the Milky Way.

On another trip this team, along with student filmmaker Will Fitzpatrick, the team photographed a time lapse of the White Shaman Mural just outside of Seminole Canyon State Park, as well as drone footage of the Pecos River at sunrise.

White Shaman Mural near Seminole Canyon State Park (Photo by Ryan Sultemeier)

To me, one of the most amazing things about this journey and the creation of this film is that it was made with almost no money, but primarily donations to my nonprofit, Environmental Arts Alliance, which covered expenses.

Yes, it was an enormous idea about the universe. Created with very little money. But that’s what we did.

Now, as we embark on this next phase to find distribution through festival, astronomy, community and national park screenings (which have already begun playing to sold out crowds) we never forget our mission: Not only to repay these wonderful filmmakers, but to build an impact campaign of awareness that We CAN save our night skies. This effort has already begun with screenings in Pakistan and in Kenya, and our goal is to continue to reach out to global communities through our night sky partners in Kenya, Pakistan, The Netherlands, and Vietnam. And, hopefully through you, our readers and supporters everywhere.

There are too many stories about the making of this film for one blog post. So, please stay tuned for more about our wonderful participants in this film! Storytellers, astronomers, mythologists, artists, astrophotographers, archeologists and more. All of the stories about the making of this film are about being joined together by a passion for the stars, united by a phrase coined by astrophotography contributor and expert, Babak Tafreshi: we are all “One people under one sky”.

From left: Amy Jackson, Jonathan Jackson, Mykal Bayne, Ryan Sultemeier, Olivia Baker, Will Fitzpatrick, Nader Yusef (Photo by Elizabeth Buckley)
Five Best Parks to See the Night Sky in Texas by Ryan Sultemeier

In the height of the pandemic in 2020 I was on a zoom call with my friend Betty Buckley, and she told me she was surprised she couldn’t see the Milky Way from her backyard in rural Texas. While kicking around ideas for a documentary, she mentioned that she thought there was an idea for a film in that frustration. Since then, we’ve been working on a documentary called The Stars at Night. The film explores light pollution, the cultural significance of the night sky, mythology, and how it’s all intertwined. While working on the film we were fortunate enough to visit some of the finest dark skies you can see in Texas. These aren’t all of them, but they’re some of the best:

5. Palo Duro Canyon

The Texas Parks and Wildlife website calls Palo Duro “The Grand Canyon of Texas,” and it’s true that it’s one of the most striking places you can visit in the Lone Star State. It’s half an hour south of Amarillo, and about eight hours from San Antonio. So, if George was headed to Palo Duro when he sang Amarillo by Mornin’ he really probably wasn’t getting in from the road till the break of dawn. It’s in a Bortle Scale Class 3 area, though just nearly in a Class 2. The Milky Way won’t be quite as identifiable here when compared to other parks on this list, however it will still provide beautiful starry skies and the Milky Way will be visible in most photographs (assuming it’s the right time of year, etc.).

4. Lost Maples State Natural Area

About 2 Hours and 45 minutes west of Austin lies Lost Maples State Natural Area. It’s just north of Vanderpool, Texas in a Bortle Scale Class 2 area. It’s one of the few places in Texas with beautiful Maple trees— and with more than 10 miles of trails to explore, the Sabinal River to float or fish, and an incredible 2,200-foot-tall cliff overlooking the river banks, there’s plenty to do before and after dark. Lost Maples is a great spot to spend a weekend away watching the stars go by.

3. Seminole Canyon State Park

Seminole Canyon is about an hour west of Del Rio, Texas and has one of the most spectacular sights on this list— The Fate Bell Shelter. It’s a rock shelter that juts about 40 feet in to the canyon wall and has evidence of over 8,000 years of occupation, the rock wall shows pictographs that are believed to be between 3,000 and 4,000 years old. This park is also in a Bortle Scale Class 2 area and has incredible night sky views above expansive vistas. If you’re in south Texas or are looking for a trip that will take you off the beaten path, Seminole Canyon is a fantastic place to check out.

Seminole Canyon is actually one of the places we visited while shooting The Stars at Night, we shot one of Amy Jackson’s interviews in the park, and had a chance to photograph the White Shaman Mural which is nearby, though it’s on land owned by the Witte Museum.

2. Enchanted Rock State Natural Area

Enchanted Rock is one of the most popular parks in central, Texas, and for good reason. It’s not too far of a drive from San Antonio or Austin, it’s close to the lovely town of Fredericksburg, and it has a gigantic granite dome. It’s got fantastic hiking, clear night skies, and I could go on, but if you live anywhere near central Texas, you already know all of this. This park is also in a Bortle Scale Class 2 area, so you’ll have no issue viewing the Milky Way with the naked eye. If you’re in the Hill Country and haven’t already, get out to Enchanted Rock.

Fun fact, we actually did some of our first testing near Enchanted Rock, before we really started shooting The Stars at Night, this was where we would make sure we actually could photograph what we wanted to see in the night sky.

Enchanted Rock State Natural Area (Photo by Jonathan Jackson)

1. Big Bend National Park

Everything you can say about the skies in Big Bend National Park, you can also say about the Big Bend region as a whole, and all of the other parks and natural areas near it— whether it’s Black Gap, BBNP, Big Bend Ranch State Park, Davis Mountain State Park, or just on the long stretches of lonely road between these places, the dark skies here are world class. Unless you’re willing to sail out into the ocean, it doesn’t get a whole lot darker than the Big Bend.

Most of the area is Bortle Scale Class 1, the exceptions being inside of, or just outside of, the small towns that dot the area. The region contains incredible hiking, kayaking, camping, and photography. When you’re tired of the high lonesome you can go into town and get great food and drinks in any of the small towns nearby. My personal favorite spot is the Starlight Theatre in Terlingua, Texas. In short, the Big Bend is a bucket list location for any serious stargazer or astrophotographer.

We were lucky enough to shoot the bulk of our film in Big Bend National Park and Terlingua, where we took a group of student filmmakers who hadn’t seen a clear night sky before out to take in the sights and reflect on where we are, how we got here, and what we’re going to do to make sure everyone after us has a chance to view a beautiful night sky. I’d highly recommend anyone wanting to travel out to see the stars do so, and the Big Bend is a great place to do it.

 

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Featured image at top: Stars over the Chisos Mountains in Big Bend National Park (Photo by Jonathan Jackson)


Permit Alert: What to Know for May 2024

Yosemite National Park: Half Dome Permits

Half Dome, an iconic granite monolith in Yosemite National Park, stands as a symbol of nature’s grandeur and human ambition. Rising nearly 5,000 feet above the valley floor, its sheer face commands attention, inspiring awe in all who behold it.

For adventurers and climbers, conquering Half Dome is a revered challenge. The most popular route, the cables route, requires physical endurance, mental fortitude, and a healthy respect for the mountain’s unforgiving nature. It also requires a permit.

The Half Dome cables are put up each spring and taken down each fall, typically from the Friday before Memorial Day through the Tuesday after Columbus Day. These dates are conditions dependent and may vary from year to year. You must have a permit to ascend the subdome steps or Half Dome cables.

Beginning May 22, a small number of day hike permits are available every day the cables are up, via a two day in advance daily lottery at Recreation.gov.

Multi-day hiking permits (overnight backpacking with an overnight stay at Little Yosemite Valley or other Wilderness location) are not available through the lottery process. More information on multi-day hiking in Yosemite is available at NPS.gov.

Learn more about Yosemite from some of our creators.

Rocky Mountain: Timed entry vehicle permits

Rocky Mountain National Park is a breathtaking expanse of wilderness nestled in the heart of the Colorado Rockies. Spanning over 415 square miles, it boasts towering peaks, alpine meadows, and pristine lakes.

Visitors can explore over 350 miles of trails, winding through diverse ecosystems teeming with wildlife like elk, mule deer, and bighorn sheep.

With iconic landmarks such as Trail Ridge Road and Longs Peak, this park offers unparalleled opportunities for hiking, camping, and awe-inspiring scenic drives.

Planning for summer and fall trips to Rocky?

Beginning May 24 to mid-October, timed entry vehicle permits will be required to enter Rocky Mountain National Park during certain hours of the day. There will be two different options to choose from: Timed Entry or Timed Entry + which includes the Bear Lake Road Corridor.

Timed entry permits for May 24 – June 30 will be available to reserve at Recreation.gov beginning at 8 a.m. MDT on May 1.

For more detailed information and a list of frequently asked questions and answers, visit NPS.gov.

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Mesa Verde: Cliff Dwelling Tours

Mesa Verde National Park is home to remarkable cliff dwellings that offer a glimpse into the ancient lives of the Ancestral Pueblo people. These architectural marvels, perched on canyon walls, are a testament to their engineering and artistic achievements.

Cliff Palace: As the largest cliff dwelling in North America, Cliff Palace was once home to over 100 people. On a ranger-led tour, you’ll descend uneven stone steps, climb four ladders, and explore this impressive site. The tour lasts 45 minutes and covers a quarter-mile distance.

Balcony House: This adventurous tour involves scaling cliff faces via tall ladders, crawling through narrow tunnels, and retracing the steps of Ancestral Pueblo residents. The one-hour tour includes a 32-foot ladder, an 18-inch wide tunnel, and a 60-foot open cliff face.

Backcountry Tours: These special tours take you into the park’s lesser-seen cliff dwellings. Rangers guide you through the history and culture of the Ancestral Pueblo people, offering a unique perspective on Mesa Verde’s hidden treasures.

To explore these fascinating cliff dwellings, make reservations at Recreation.gov or call 1-877-444-6777. Remember, demand is high, so secure your spot early!

Learn how the science of using tree rings to understand the past began in Mesa Verde.

Top photo of Yosemite by iStock


PARKS MADNESS: How Would You Change It Next Year?

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National Parks Bucket List: The Ultimate Adventure Journal

Linda Mohammad never set out to write a book, but after traveling to all 63 National Parks we can be glad she did. Her new journal offers advice from her experience and lots of space for recording your own adventures. Below, excerpts from her Top 5 National Parks.


The story behind this colorful journal started simply as a desire to stay fit and not be confined to a gym. The California national parks were her “starter kit,” and weekend ventures gradually became expeditions to other West Coast parks and then farther afield.

Before she became a park expert, Linda had studied geology at the Colorado School of Mines. Students were required to draw pictures of rock formations and keep a journal of their observations in a notebook. Her new book has taken a similar approach. It’s filled with facts about each park, and there’s ample place to make your own observations. It’s a great format to bring the study of the world around us to a national park guide, notching off parks as you go.

The National Park Bucket List Journal is also a gateway to a community of national park travelers Linda joined almost by accident. She started uploading photos to an Instagram group – aptly called National Park Geek – and she eventually became the Chief Geek Ambassador.

A Growing Community

Digital connections turned into friendships with like-minded people who share a deep appreciation of the land and those who are bound to protect it. The more parks she went to, the more involved she became in the parks community and the greater understanding she gained of the fragile ecosystems surrounding them. For each park entry in the book she also notes the cultural heritage of the park and the tribes that once lived there. Her hope is that their descendants become co-managers of the parks to help preserve them for the future.

After COVID the national parks and public lands have seen a huge rebound in visitation, making the planning process all the more important. Online guides can be unreliable, and sometimes it’s hard to vet where the information is coming from. Before she wrote the book Linda was already a go-to source for those who want to do all 63 parks or even just go on a weekend outing. This book distills her knowledge into a beautifully illustrated guide.

Linda has funded all her own travel without sponsorship of any kind. She freely admits to a love of planning, a useful skill when you’re visiting as many parks as possible and staying on budget. This doesn’t come through in the book, though you get the feeling talking to her that her blog (The Bucket List Traveler) will offer ways to plan efficiently, economically and sustainably. Unbiased hints on how to save money and resources are insider information we can all benefit from.

Like the book, Linda is easily approachable, and she’s happy to share her experiences in hopes that others will discover the joy of visiting our protected spaces. “Representation matters. The fact that I am out there, doing my thing, does inspire solo female travelers and people of color,” she says. She also encourages people to support parks, if not monetarily then by joining a park foundation – as she did for the Channel Islands National Park Foundation, where she serves as a director. This book is a fun way to explore the parks, get you inspired to get out there and record your own journey along the way.

Linda’s Top 5

Top photo of Linda Mohammad in Death Valley National Park (photo courtesy of Linda Mohammad)


PARKS MADNESS: Yellowstone Takes the Crown!

In the end, nothing was going to stop Yellowstone. The world’s first national park received the only first-round bye in the inaugural Parks Madness tournament to honor its place in history, and now your votes have anointed it the first-ever 2024 National Park Champion. Thanks to everyone who played, and to our partners who provided raffle prizes! We've received terrific feedback and lots of suggestions for next year, so keep an eye on this space for one last survey to decide what changes we should make for next time.


Yellowstone breezed past Alaska’s Gates of the Arctic in Round Two before facing slightly stiffer winds against its Wyoming neighbor, Grand Teton, in the Sweet Sixteen and the “Crown of the Continent,” Glacier, in the Final Four. In the match to determine the 2024 National Park Champion, it turned out that even mighty Zion didn’t have a prayer, with Yellowstone winning 64-36%.

“So much beauty, so much to do!” said Parks Madness voter Shelly Smallwood. “There’s a reason it’s called ‘first and best!’”

Another voter, Andrew Miller, said: “Yellowstone is, and always will be, the undisputed King of the National Parks.”

Just over two years ago, on March 1, 2022, Yellowstone celebrated the 150th anniversary of President Ulysses S. Grant signing the law that established the world’s first national park, over 3,400 acres of stunning natural beauty in Wyoming and part of Montana. Early promoters of tourism propagated a myth that Native Americans feared the “evil spirits” of the slumbering but active supervolcano that powers more than 500 geysers. In fact, over a span of 11,000 years, no fewer than 27 indigenous tribes worshipped, hunted and gathered food in what the Crow called “the land of vapors.”

While the National Park Service has worked to tell a fuller history, the appeal of Yellowstone has only grown deeper. “Yellowstone is the park that made me fall in love with nature & exploring the outdoors when I was a child,” voter Elizabeth Entwhistle wrote. “The wonder and awe of the geysers, springs, the paint pots, and of seeing bears & buffalo. Family jokes started there with my 4-year-old brother and a buffalo hat bought as a souvenir, memories from camping & seeing elk. It’s magical. It’s the one park that opened my eyes to them all.”

Yellowstone “coach” and Superintendent Cam Sholly might have the win, but Zion Superintendent Jeff Bradybaugh can take solace in the much tighter photo contest. The Utah national park came within a facial whisker of beating Yellowstone, across the full Parks Madness tournament, for most photos submitted by voters depicting their overall winner.

“Zion National Park should win because it is heaven on earth!” voter Jane Falk said. Others called Zion’s scenic views “jaw-dropping” and said the park is “breathtaking every single visit.”

Even voters who chose the winner were conflicted. “I love both of these parks!” voter Shane Sprowl wrote. “While Zion might be the more photogenic and awe-inspiring of the two, Yellowstone simply overwhelms with the amount of wildlife, geothermal features, and untouched wilderness it has to offer, and for that it has my vote as the ultimate Parks Madness champion :)”

Many voters expressed a desire to see Parks Madness return – and find more ways to showcase some of the lesser-known jewels of America’s treasured spaces. “Parks Madness is fun, but I am sorry to see the end competition ended up with overwhelmingly popular parks and little gems were dashed aside,” voter Laura Geroulis wrote. “Sure, it’s a popularity contest, but how about one that lets the smaller parks shine?”

“Please bring back Parks Madness next year!” voter Lauren Schwartz added. “Sorry to see it end. Thanks to the Parks Channel for putting this together. It has been so much fun to read the stories and memories of other Park Lovers!”

Featured photo by rorozoa – Freepik, Coach graphics by Grace Bowie, Parks Madness logo by Drake Poe, badges by Anderson Design Group, Parks Madness brackets by Darius Nabors.

YELLOWSTONE - pick and photo by Tyler White
ZION - Pick and photo by Molly Gerding
YELLOWSTONE -pick and photo by Andrew Miller
ZION - pick and photo by Stephanie Kraft
ZION - pick and photo by Karen Fuller
YELLOWSTONE - pick and photo by Ben Wittenberg
YELLOWSTONE - pick and photo by Chloe Sprowl
ZION - pick and photo by Beth Skrypzak
ZION - pick and photo by JM Palomares

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Yellowstone has everything and uniqueness not found elsewhere in one place – geysers, hot springs, waterfalls, popping mud, outstanding scenery and the animals – wolves, bison, grizzlies, moose, etc. that are American icons. It is world famous and I’ve heard many people from other countries say they wanted to see Yellowstone.

Thank you, this was fun!!

Yellowstone is the OG. Period. Park Madness was a cool idea.

I love the variety of unique trails in Zion- from The Narrows to Angel’s Landing. Parks Madness has been fun to follow!

Yellowstone. Flora and fauna are fabulous—and Old Faithful is unparalleled!

The first and still the best.

It’s fitting that Yellowstone should win the championship. It is simply the most iconic Park in the entire system!

Yellowstone. Diversity of the park. Wildlife and geological. Zion is fantastic but you don’t have all the wildlife viewing opportunities.

Yellowstone. This park has it all. For both summer and winter. Hands down could spend a month just in that park. Top notch for wildlife viewing.

Yellowstone! My first and favorite National Park. I have loved Parks Madness.

No matter who wins, we all win, because the national parks are the best of us!

I love both parks but the scenery is what is drawing me to Zion.

Yellowstone because of all the beautiful natural features within it.

Yellowstone has it all: charismatic megafauna, beautiful scenery, incredible geology, AND it’s a supervolcano! Zion can’t match that. Park Madness is super fun. My kid and I have enjoyed making our picks. I only wish we had found about it earlier so we could have participated in the first couple rounds.

It’s the feeling and absolute closeness to nature I get when hiking in Zion. Waking up under a full moon to sharing space with a porcupine, feeling the wind on my face on a trail, and the cool wet earth after a rain.

I’ve had a good time with this even though my picks mostly did not make it all the way. Hope to get to visit more parks now that I have retired!

I live in Arkansas and have visited both parks. I absolutely love both parks and had great fun camping and hiking at each one. I have been back to Yellowstone for more camping and hiking, and I can’t wait to go back again. There is something about Yellowstone that calls to me….the wild beauty of the varying terrain, the geysers, the wildlife. My goal in 10 years is to retire and work in one of the gift shops! I love Yellowstone that much!

Yellowstone still remains my favorite (landscape; natural features including geysers, hot springs, mud pots, water, etc.; and animals!). It would be interesting to see how many people actually visited the park they vote for. I know Yosemite is a favorite but I haven’t been there. I was at Zion a month ago. Quite impressive but love the animals in Yellowstone. Thanks for doing this!

Yellowstone is truly the first and best National Park!

Zion. So many different areas of the park. Steep canyon walls, upper rim hikes, mixed conifer forest at Kolob Canyons section. Its more just than a park with hot water that shoots out of the earth sometimes.

I love mountains! I love Parks Madness!

Beauty abounds!! The gray wolf calls Yellowstone home.

Yellowstone should win on the sheer magnitude of the park and its wildlife. Did I mention Old Faithful? I have had the privilege of visiting Yellowstone and treasure the memories.

Loved Park Madness! Yellowstone has it all! Natural beauty with amazing wildlife. It was an adventure of a lifetime for us and we can’t wait to go back!

Love the bracket! Yellowstone is my favorite because of the size and diversity of the park. I’ve seen so much wildlife as well.

Zion is breathtaking every single visit

Let’s do it again next year!!!

Yellowstone. Everyone should see this park at least once in their lifetime! One of my favorite memories is snowmobiling in the middle of Yellowstone I stopped to watch a herd of bison moving across the snowy landscape with absolutely no sounds or sighting of other humans. It was so peaceful and was able to appreciate nature how it was supposed to be. Yellowstone Forever!

It’s our first park, do Yellowstone Rightly so. 👏🏻👏🏻. All our parks are winners in my book though.

Yellowstone. My family has been going there every October for years.

Zion has a good variety of activities and stunning scenery.

I believe Zion is a hidden gem with so many things to offer. Love the idea of Parks Madness!

Zion. It’s my favorite park. My wife and I spent our honeymoon there.

Yellowstone, lol. For the OG! Please do this again next year!!! It was So Much Fun!!!!

Bryce Canyon

Yellowstone should win because I’ve been there.

Yellowstone has it all: waterfalls, mountains, canyons, thermal wonders, wilderness, lakes, wildlife, and over a thousand miles of trails!

Yellowstone has many beautiful features such as geysers and waterfalls. A wonderful place to visit. I loved it!

While Zion’s beauty is jaw dropping, Yellowstone has the diversity and wonder making it Americas first and best national park.

Firstly I love this Parks Madness! It’s a great way to bring NP lovers together for some fun. Yellowstone has it all! Wildlife. Geysers. Hot Pools. My favorite place.

Yellowstone has everything! Wildlife, landscapes, geysers, hikes! And it’s a great place to visit all year long!

Yellowstone. Wildlife, wildlife, wildlife!! Waterfalls, geysers, scenic views!

Parks Madness is fun, but I am sorry to see the end competition ended up with overwhelmingly popular parks and little gems were dashed aside,” Sure, it’s a popularity contest, but how about one that let’s the smaller parks shine? That being said, Yellowstone has it all and it’s always pulling me back.

Yellowstone is the best. Zion isn’t close. Great Smoky Mountains should be in this.

Yellowstone, of course! So iconic and majestic! Please bring back Parks Madness next year! Sorry to see it end. Thanks to the Parks Channel for putting this together. It has been so much fun to read the stories and memories of other Park Lovers!

Zion, because it’s soooo beautiful and full of mystery. i’m also biased cuz i’ve been there and not yellowstone 😜 parks madness has been so fun!!

While Zion is beautiful, Yellowstone is so accessible to so many.

The abundance of Wildlife we observed at Yellowstone was phenomenal, although nowhere close to the amount of bears we saw in Glacier, which in my opinion should’ve won. Spent 5 days in Yellowstone at the height of Covid, which was an extra excuse to avoid other humans & limit the amount of Tourons.

This was great! Wish the underrated parks had made it farther

There are so many beautiful and different experiences at Yellowstone.

Zion. We are here now camping and it’s just amazing!

We love the Narrows and the shear massiveness of Zions mountains.

Yellowstone with all of its geothermal elements. The geysers are great.

First National Park? First Parks Madness Champion? Seems right.

There’s no question which is the most interesting park.

Yellowstone will “BLOW”

Yelling Yellowstone all the way!

I am absolutely crushed that Yosemite went down in the final four, but in my heart it’s the overall winner. That said, we have visited Zion several times and will go back several more times. I just wish it wasn’t so overcrowded! It’s definitely in our top 5, so it gets my vote over Yellowstone. Thank you to The Parks Channel and your sponsors for hosting Parks Madness. I had a blast playing along each round!!